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		<title>By: Media - where does one start? &#171; Xanthippa&#8217;s Chamberpot</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanthippas.com/2008/02/10/dogged-by-dogma/#comment-521</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Media - where does one start? &#171; Xanthippa&#8217;s Chamberpot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] being taught it?  And then it occurred to me:  people will NOT question something IF they do not realize there is something to [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: The Blogosphere is under attack! &#171; Xanthippa&#8217;s Chamberpot</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanthippas.com/2008/02/10/dogged-by-dogma/#comment-365</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Blogosphere is under attack! &#171; Xanthippa&#8217;s Chamberpot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: vitality</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanthippas.com/2008/02/10/dogged-by-dogma/#comment-43</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a short comment; for now. 
Doubting, is the motivater for THINKING. Believing, is a POSSIBILITY, unsupported.
FEELING, is the POKER, urging you on, to THINK some further!!!

Never neglect you FEELINGS!!! It is the important I, in I AM, telling you,
Hey, you may be ON TO something !!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a short comment; for now.<br />
Doubting, is the motivater for THINKING. Believing, is a POSSIBILITY, unsupported.<br />
FEELING, is the POKER, urging you on, to THINK some further!!!</p>
<p>Never neglect you FEELINGS!!! It is the important I, in I AM, telling you,<br />
Hey, you may be ON TO something !!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Xanthippa</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanthippas.com/2008/02/10/dogged-by-dogma/#comment-25</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I agree that the word &#039;belief&#039; may create confusion - it is used to refer to a variety of mental states, not particularly congruent with each other, I would most vehemently disagree with the assertion that &#039;feelings&#039; qualify as &#039;beliefs&#039;.

Perhaps this is an illustration of my limitation, but I do not really think that what I am experiencing are &#039;feelings&#039; - feelings are &#039;deep emotions&#039;, if you would like, and as a somewhat autistic person (Aspergers, to be precise), I tend to differentiate rather abruptly between &#039;feelings&#039; and &#039;thoughts/cpnclusions&#039;.  It seems to me that they emmanate from an entirely different part of the brain.

Beliefs, as I understand them, are &#039;convictions, despite evidence&#039; - and as such, I cannot find a way of subscribing to them.  

You say the very act of doubt requires thinking:  OK, so?  Thinking does NOT imply the existence of a &#039;thinker&#039;!!!!  Nor, does it in any way imply that I can know the wholeness, on anything, really, about the &#039;thinker&#039; or its nature...

I have no evidence as to who or what is doing the &#039;thinking&#039; - or if &#039;thinking&#039; itself is an illusion brought on by some freak combination of natural phenomena, and thus quite independent of &#039;a thinker&#039; (my post &#039;I think therefore I am...I think).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that the word &#8216;belief&#8217; may create confusion &#8211; it is used to refer to a variety of mental states, not particularly congruent with each other, I would most vehemently disagree with the assertion that &#8216;feelings&#8217; qualify as &#8216;beliefs&#8217;.</p>
<p>Perhaps this is an illustration of my limitation, but I do not really think that what I am experiencing are &#8216;feelings&#8217; &#8211; feelings are &#8216;deep emotions&#8217;, if you would like, and as a somewhat autistic person (Aspergers, to be precise), I tend to differentiate rather abruptly between &#8216;feelings&#8217; and &#8216;thoughts/cpnclusions&#8217;.  It seems to me that they emmanate from an entirely different part of the brain.</p>
<p>Beliefs, as I understand them, are &#8216;convictions, despite evidence&#8217; &#8211; and as such, I cannot find a way of subscribing to them.  </p>
<p>You say the very act of doubt requires thinking:  OK, so?  Thinking does NOT imply the existence of a &#8216;thinker&#8217;!!!!  Nor, does it in any way imply that I can know the wholeness, on anything, really, about the &#8216;thinker&#8217; or its nature&#8230;</p>
<p>I have no evidence as to who or what is doing the &#8216;thinking&#8217; &#8211; or if &#8216;thinking&#8217; itself is an illusion brought on by some freak combination of natural phenomena, and thus quite independent of &#8216;a thinker&#8217; (my post &#8216;I think therefore I am&#8230;I think).</p>
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		<title>By: sgshaw</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanthippas.com/2008/02/10/dogged-by-dogma/#comment-24</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand what you mean. What it sounds like you&#039;re wrestling with is objective belief (profound belief that is true for everyone, no matter what), and I don&#039;t blame you. Generally speaking, however, your subjective (personal) feelings indeed can qualify as beliefs. To deny beliefs in a wholesale manner is, please pardon me here, a bit silly. Perhaps there might be a better word to describe what it is you&#039;re feeling? I think using the word &#039;belief&#039; is likely to create a bit of confusion. : ) 

For example: it is impossible to doubt that you are a thinking thing--because the very act of doubting requires thinking! So in one way or another, a certain amount of belief is forced upon us, whether we like it or not.

And do not worry about a lack of philosophical training. Philosophy is difficult, I&#039;ll admit, but everyone has to start somewhere!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand what you mean. What it sounds like you&#8217;re wrestling with is objective belief (profound belief that is true for everyone, no matter what), and I don&#8217;t blame you. Generally speaking, however, your subjective (personal) feelings indeed can qualify as beliefs. To deny beliefs in a wholesale manner is, please pardon me here, a bit silly. Perhaps there might be a better word to describe what it is you&#8217;re feeling? I think using the word &#8216;belief&#8217; is likely to create a bit of confusion. : ) </p>
<p>For example: it is impossible to doubt that you are a thinking thing&#8211;because the very act of doubting requires thinking! So in one way or another, a certain amount of belief is forced upon us, whether we like it or not.</p>
<p>And do not worry about a lack of philosophical training. Philosophy is difficult, I&#8217;ll admit, but everyone has to start somewhere!</p>
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		<title>By: xanthippa</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanthippas.com/2008/02/10/dogged-by-dogma/#comment-21</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since I lack education in philosophy, I am sometimes lost in the terminlology.  So, please, forgive my ignorance if I misunderstand. I&#039;ll learn, I promise!

You are, of course, right that the statement that I cannot hold beliefs appears to be a belief in itself!  So, please, let me qualify the statement:  

&#039;I have examined my attitudes, opinions, conclusions, prejudices, and other thoughts and thought patterns I suffer from the impression I am experiencing, and it appears to me that none of them would conform to a definition of &#039;belief&#039;, as in &#039;profound belief&#039;, along the lines of &#039;religious faith-type belief&#039;, according to my limited understanding of that concept.&#039;

This extends into my past, as far as I can recall.  I have no idea of what the future (whatever that concept may entail) may bring.  I don&#039;t even &#039;believe&#039; that I am self-aware!

I hope that makes more sense...it sure confused me!  ;0)

But, in &#039;common speak&#039; - I do find it difficult to have an unqualified opinion...though I do subscribe to &#039;ought to beliefs&#039; in the sense of &#039;I believe all humans ought to be treated equally in the eye of the law&#039;....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I lack education in philosophy, I am sometimes lost in the terminlology.  So, please, forgive my ignorance if I misunderstand. I&#8217;ll learn, I promise!</p>
<p>You are, of course, right that the statement that I cannot hold beliefs appears to be a belief in itself!  So, please, let me qualify the statement:  </p>
<p>&#8216;I have examined my attitudes, opinions, conclusions, prejudices, and other thoughts and thought patterns I suffer from the impression I am experiencing, and it appears to me that none of them would conform to a definition of &#8216;belief&#8217;, as in &#8216;profound belief&#8217;, along the lines of &#8216;religious faith-type belief&#8217;, according to my limited understanding of that concept.&#8217;</p>
<p>This extends into my past, as far as I can recall.  I have no idea of what the future (whatever that concept may entail) may bring.  I don&#8217;t even &#8216;believe&#8217; that I am self-aware!</p>
<p>I hope that makes more sense&#8230;it sure confused me!  ;0)</p>
<p>But, in &#8216;common speak&#8217; &#8211; I do find it difficult to have an unqualified opinion&#8230;though I do subscribe to &#8216;ought to beliefs&#8217; in the sense of &#8216;I believe all humans ought to be treated equally in the eye of the law&#8217;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: sgshaw</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanthippas.com/2008/02/10/dogged-by-dogma/#comment-20</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very postmodern. It sounds to me like what you mean by &quot;belief&quot; is more along the lines of beliefs of objective nature and beliefs that transcend communities, rather than the inability to hold any belief (inter-subjuctive, community ordained, etc) at all. Is that about right...?

After all, you do believe that you are unable to form beliefs, which is, in itself, a belief. : )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very postmodern. It sounds to me like what you mean by &#8220;belief&#8221; is more along the lines of beliefs of objective nature and beliefs that transcend communities, rather than the inability to hold any belief (inter-subjuctive, community ordained, etc) at all. Is that about right&#8230;?</p>
<p>After all, you do believe that you are unable to form beliefs, which is, in itself, a belief. : )</p>
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		<title>By: adlawrence</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanthippas.com/2008/02/10/dogged-by-dogma/#comment-18</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just recommended this book to someone else but I thought I would do so here as well...

One, No One &amp; One Hundred Thousand by Luigi Pirandello (trans. from italian by William Weaver).

Publishers Weekly: &quot;It is Pirandello&#039;s genius that a discussion of the fundamental human inability to communicatre, of our essential solitariness, and of the inescapable restriction of our free will elicits such thoroughly sustained and earthy laughter.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just recommended this book to someone else but I thought I would do so here as well&#8230;</p>
<p>One, No One &amp; One Hundred Thousand by Luigi Pirandello (trans. from italian by William Weaver).</p>
<p>Publishers Weekly: &#8220;It is Pirandello&#8217;s genius that a discussion of the fundamental human inability to communicatre, of our essential solitariness, and of the inescapable restriction of our free will elicits such thoroughly sustained and earthy laughter.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: xanthippa</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanthippas.com/2008/02/10/dogged-by-dogma/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xanthippa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re:  does everyone encounter these trains of though

Looking at history, many societies existed with their dogma unquestioned UNTIL something came up which made people realize that they COULD question the &#039;dogma&#039;.  So, even when there were &#039;questioners&#039;, it often did not occur to them that some things might even be subjects of questioning...

Confusingly written here, but will be subject of future posts....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  does everyone encounter these trains of though</p>
<p>Looking at history, many societies existed with their dogma unquestioned UNTIL something came up which made people realize that they COULD question the &#8216;dogma&#8217;.  So, even when there were &#8216;questioners&#8217;, it often did not occur to them that some things might even be subjects of questioning&#8230;</p>
<p>Confusingly written here, but will be subject of future posts&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: adlawrence</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanthippas.com/2008/02/10/dogged-by-dogma/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[adlawrence]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well put.  My brain is stuck on the question of what happens to the individual who questions [especially if they are not prone to the formation of groups and social ties].  And if the questioning individual ever has a choice in the matter.  
I cannot help but question every single nuances I come across, or think of, or notice the lack of, etc...  But what I am curious about is if everyone else encounters these same trains of thought and then either chooses to encourage or subjugate them.
It seems to me that the concept of dogma that you speak of would require a collective acceptance and agreement...
hmm, I really have no idea where I am going with this one.  I like the post though [not that that matters in the least], hopefully you continue posting. 
hmm, I really have no idea where I am going with this one.  I like the post though [not that that matters in the least], hopefully you continue posting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put.  My brain is stuck on the question of what happens to the individual who questions [especially if they are not prone to the formation of groups and social ties].  And if the questioning individual ever has a choice in the matter.<br />
I cannot help but question every single nuances I come across, or think of, or notice the lack of, etc&#8230;  But what I am curious about is if everyone else encounters these same trains of thought and then either chooses to encourage or subjugate them.<br />
It seems to me that the concept of dogma that you speak of would require a collective acceptance and agreement&#8230;<br />
hmm, I really have no idea where I am going with this one.  I like the post though [not that that matters in the least], hopefully you continue posting.<br />
hmm, I really have no idea where I am going with this one.  I like the post though [not that that matters in the least], hopefully you continue posting.</p>
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