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		<title>By: Sonsy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;And you say it is I – and others who speak our against such horrible torture – who are ‘spreading hatred’?!?!?&quot;

Yep.
I agree with the other poster, you&#039;re basically spreading propaganda. All of the links you supplied as &quot;sources&quot; in your post either link to Wikipedia, non-credible news outlets, or are broken (or you don&#039;t have a source at all, as is the case in this comment. I could learn about Najat? Really? Najat who? Where did you hear this story? Is this something I can find on Google, is there a book about her, what?). As far as your readers know, this could be something you read about in a chain-letter email and took off on with no further proof. You are vilifying an entire religion and culture while failing to examine parallels in the western world (i.e. of Christianity), and ignoring the plain fact that you cannot equate the actions of a few to the beliefs of MILLIONS of people worldwide. You also failed to address the incredibly racist comments that other people have left to agree with you.

IF this story is true, yes, it is incredibly sad. This shouldn&#039;t happen to anyone. Unfortunately, horrific things happen on a daily basis in this world, and whether or not the individuals perpetrating those things want to use religion as the justification or not is a moot point. You should be speaking out against the actions of the individuals themselves - NOT the beliefs of millions of Muslim people who, if you actually bothered to speak to some of them, would probably agree with you! I know of plenty of Muslim individuals through the internet who are feminists and would agree wholeheartedly that this should never have been done, particularly in the name of Islam. Plenty of them blog about it, why don&#039;t you try to open up this discussion for some of them, instead of advocating intolerance of a vast and diverse religion from the safety of your own website? 

In addition, I wanted to respond to a comment made by another poster. 

&quot;How do they expect to have a peaceful country if their justice system condones rapists, and murders innocent children? If they only care about whether the men are satisfied in their pathetic Islam lives, and the dutiful f**king women are just accesories in their lives, for them to use and abuse?&quot;

Please examine Rape Culture in America and other Western countries and tell me that this statement couldn&#039;t be applied to all of them if the word &quot;islam&quot; was taken out of it. Women are treated like shit in ALL places in the world - and likewise, men and women both are treated violently in other countries, countries with different cultures, or war-torn countries, or poorer countries where people must resort to extreme measures just to survive. Just because women in America may be treated like pieces of meat without being stoned to death doesn&#039;t mean that people of another belief, or culture, or country are suddenly less than human for acting on that oppression in ways that we don&#039;t. What about the women in America and Australia who have had their rape cases thrown out of court because of the clothes they were wearing (http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/rape-of-woman-in-skinny-jeans-not-possible-20100430-tzai.html) or what they had been drinking? What about the fact that most rapes DO go unreported because women here KNOW that they will be questioned before their rapist will (and 14 out of 15 rapists go free!) - and if they were drunk, if they flirted with the perp, if they were wearing &#039;sexy&#039; clothing, or god forbid if they are married to them, they will be the ones charged with the blame for &#039;letting&#039; it happen. What about that 10 year old girl who was gang raped, and her story was met with people blaming her parents for &quot;letting&quot; her wear revealing clothing or be alone, when something like 14 boys made the conscious decision to brutalize her? (http://abcnews.go.com/US/gang-rape-charges-18-men-sparks-racial-tensions/story?id=13095476#.TyBtbONWpqs)

(This article, too, could be an interesting commentary on your post. Because the perps in this case were all men of color, it sparked racial tension. I&#039;m sure there are plenty of people who started blaming those terrible blacks for their violent tendencies. Obviously that is an incredibly racist, harmful view to have - but how is that any different than blaming Muslims for their violence, when it was only a few who actually did something wrong here?)

My point is this: this shit happens everywhere, regardless of where you live, regardless of your culture, and regardless of your religion. And yet you took the time to make a big long post about the awful nasty Muslims and their disgusting culture and blame ALL of them for it, and then drag in completely unrelated stuff (the burqa?? What does that have to do with men CHOOSING to rape a girl, and then other men punishing her for it??), ignore other relevant points made - yeah, you&#039;re spreading hatred. Pretty much everything you have said is completely unnecessary, not to mention racist. And racism is hate, in case there was ANY misunderstanding about that. 

Degrading an entire religion to stand up for the rights of one girl is not the way to get justice for her. 

If you want to spread awareness and stand up for this girl, here is what you should do:
a) find some credible sources to prove that this event actually happened.
b) examine the way rape is treated in your own culture, and in other religions*, before you make villans of an entire (and extremely diverse) religion. 
c) TALK TO MUSLIMS to see how they feel about this. Make your argument balanced. Googling sharia law does not make you an expert on Islam.
d) make an informed and rational post about what circumstances may have led to this situation and what could have prevented it. Open up a thoughtful discussion among your readers to see if they can come up with a solution, rather than condemning people based on a culture you probably have never been immersed in and know next to nothing about (except what you have heard secondhand from the media or the internet).
e) start a petition for that change and for awareness if you can&#039;t find one already. Put global pressure on the people who are actually to blame for this so that they understand the world is watching and finds this unacceptable. Start a petition for a formal apology. Whatever might actually work, instead of just mentioning Amnesty International and finding out her age. 


I&#039;m not saying that what happened to this girl - or any other women stoned to death (as yes, I&#039;m aware, that does happen) - is not an outrage. I just don&#039;t believe anything you&#039;ve said because you&#039;ve failed to present this story in a convincing and logical way, and instead came at this with rage and racism. I hope you see this response not as an attack on you, but as an opportunity to look at this post with a critical eye and truly think about how you might be able to raise awareness for issues in the future, because I can assure you, this is not the way to do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And you say it is I – and others who speak our against such horrible torture – who are ‘spreading hatred’?!?!?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep.<br />
I agree with the other poster, you&#8217;re basically spreading propaganda. All of the links you supplied as &#8220;sources&#8221; in your post either link to Wikipedia, non-credible news outlets, or are broken (or you don&#8217;t have a source at all, as is the case in this comment. I could learn about Najat? Really? Najat who? Where did you hear this story? Is this something I can find on Google, is there a book about her, what?). As far as your readers know, this could be something you read about in a chain-letter email and took off on with no further proof. You are vilifying an entire religion and culture while failing to examine parallels in the western world (i.e. of Christianity), and ignoring the plain fact that you cannot equate the actions of a few to the beliefs of MILLIONS of people worldwide. You also failed to address the incredibly racist comments that other people have left to agree with you.</p>
<p>IF this story is true, yes, it is incredibly sad. This shouldn&#8217;t happen to anyone. Unfortunately, horrific things happen on a daily basis in this world, and whether or not the individuals perpetrating those things want to use religion as the justification or not is a moot point. You should be speaking out against the actions of the individuals themselves &#8211; NOT the beliefs of millions of Muslim people who, if you actually bothered to speak to some of them, would probably agree with you! I know of plenty of Muslim individuals through the internet who are feminists and would agree wholeheartedly that this should never have been done, particularly in the name of Islam. Plenty of them blog about it, why don&#8217;t you try to open up this discussion for some of them, instead of advocating intolerance of a vast and diverse religion from the safety of your own website? </p>
<p>In addition, I wanted to respond to a comment made by another poster. </p>
<p>&#8220;How do they expect to have a peaceful country if their justice system condones rapists, and murders innocent children? If they only care about whether the men are satisfied in their pathetic Islam lives, and the dutiful f**king women are just accesories in their lives, for them to use and abuse?&#8221;</p>
<p>Please examine Rape Culture in America and other Western countries and tell me that this statement couldn&#8217;t be applied to all of them if the word &#8220;islam&#8221; was taken out of it. Women are treated like shit in ALL places in the world &#8211; and likewise, men and women both are treated violently in other countries, countries with different cultures, or war-torn countries, or poorer countries where people must resort to extreme measures just to survive. Just because women in America may be treated like pieces of meat without being stoned to death doesn&#8217;t mean that people of another belief, or culture, or country are suddenly less than human for acting on that oppression in ways that we don&#8217;t. What about the women in America and Australia who have had their rape cases thrown out of court because of the clothes they were wearing (<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/rape-of-woman-in-skinny-jeans-not-possible-20100430-tzai.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/rape-of-woman-in-skinny-jeans-not-possible-20100430-tzai.html</a>) or what they had been drinking? What about the fact that most rapes DO go unreported because women here KNOW that they will be questioned before their rapist will (and 14 out of 15 rapists go free!) &#8211; and if they were drunk, if they flirted with the perp, if they were wearing &#8216;sexy&#8217; clothing, or god forbid if they are married to them, they will be the ones charged with the blame for &#8216;letting&#8217; it happen. What about that 10 year old girl who was gang raped, and her story was met with people blaming her parents for &#8220;letting&#8221; her wear revealing clothing or be alone, when something like 14 boys made the conscious decision to brutalize her? (<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/US/gang-rape-charges-18-men-sparks-racial-tensions/story?id=13095476#.TyBtbONWpqs" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/US/gang-rape-charges-18-men-sparks-racial-tensions/story?id=13095476#.TyBtbONWpqs</a>)</p>
<p>(This article, too, could be an interesting commentary on your post. Because the perps in this case were all men of color, it sparked racial tension. I&#8217;m sure there are plenty of people who started blaming those terrible blacks for their violent tendencies. Obviously that is an incredibly racist, harmful view to have &#8211; but how is that any different than blaming Muslims for their violence, when it was only a few who actually did something wrong here?)</p>
<p>My point is this: this shit happens everywhere, regardless of where you live, regardless of your culture, and regardless of your religion. And yet you took the time to make a big long post about the awful nasty Muslims and their disgusting culture and blame ALL of them for it, and then drag in completely unrelated stuff (the burqa?? What does that have to do with men CHOOSING to rape a girl, and then other men punishing her for it??), ignore other relevant points made &#8211; yeah, you&#8217;re spreading hatred. Pretty much everything you have said is completely unnecessary, not to mention racist. And racism is hate, in case there was ANY misunderstanding about that. </p>
<p>Degrading an entire religion to stand up for the rights of one girl is not the way to get justice for her. </p>
<p>If you want to spread awareness and stand up for this girl, here is what you should do:<br />
a) find some credible sources to prove that this event actually happened.<br />
b) examine the way rape is treated in your own culture, and in other religions*, before you make villans of an entire (and extremely diverse) religion.<br />
c) TALK TO MUSLIMS to see how they feel about this. Make your argument balanced. Googling sharia law does not make you an expert on Islam.<br />
d) make an informed and rational post about what circumstances may have led to this situation and what could have prevented it. Open up a thoughtful discussion among your readers to see if they can come up with a solution, rather than condemning people based on a culture you probably have never been immersed in and know next to nothing about (except what you have heard secondhand from the media or the internet).<br />
e) start a petition for that change and for awareness if you can&#8217;t find one already. Put global pressure on the people who are actually to blame for this so that they understand the world is watching and finds this unacceptable. Start a petition for a formal apology. Whatever might actually work, instead of just mentioning Amnesty International and finding out her age. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that what happened to this girl &#8211; or any other women stoned to death (as yes, I&#8217;m aware, that does happen) &#8211; is not an outrage. I just don&#8217;t believe anything you&#8217;ve said because you&#8217;ve failed to present this story in a convincing and logical way, and instead came at this with rage and racism. I hope you see this response not as an attack on you, but as an opportunity to look at this post with a critical eye and truly think about how you might be able to raise awareness for issues in the future, because I can assure you, this is not the way to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lily Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lily Potter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 22:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[watch the movie, &quot;the stoning of soryaya&quot;.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Abducting Jewish girls? - Page 5 - Christian Forums</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 06:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Islam itself doesn&#039;t condone this. Fucked up governments do. They&#039;ve perverted religion to suit their ends, very similarly to how Christian nations perverted it to spread misogyny during the middle ages. You can read the old testament and see their condemnation of any sexual deviancy, witches, and homosexuality. I agree the implementation is horrible and that RADICAL islam has in recent years become ridiculous, but to say Mohamed himself advocated it is shaky at best. Mohamed didn&#039;t even write the Quran.

&lt;em&gt;Xanthippa says:

You are correct in saying that Muhammad did not write the Quran:  he was illiterate.

However, Muslims do believe that Muhammad did, indeed, rule in this way.

Sharia - the &#039;Islamic law&#039; - was founded by several centuries of scholars pouring over the Quran and the Sunna to derive a set of laws as closely based on what they believe Muhammad had preached as humanly possible.

...which, for all practical purposes, is close enough - at least in all &#039;Islamic&#039; countries, designated as such since they base their legal code on Sharia!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Islam itself doesn&#8217;t condone this. Fucked up governments do. They&#8217;ve perverted religion to suit their ends, very similarly to how Christian nations perverted it to spread misogyny during the middle ages. You can read the old testament and see their condemnation of any sexual deviancy, witches, and homosexuality. I agree the implementation is horrible and that RADICAL islam has in recent years become ridiculous, but to say Mohamed himself advocated it is shaky at best. Mohamed didn&#8217;t even write the Quran.</p>
<p><em>Xanthippa says:</p>
<p>You are correct in saying that Muhammad did not write the Quran:  he was illiterate.</p>
<p>However, Muslims do believe that Muhammad did, indeed, rule in this way.</p>
<p>Sharia &#8211; the &#8216;Islamic law&#8217; &#8211; was founded by several centuries of scholars pouring over the Quran and the Sunna to derive a set of laws as closely based on what they believe Muhammad had preached as humanly possible.</p>
<p>&#8230;which, for all practical purposes, is close enough &#8211; at least in all &#8216;Islamic&#8217; countries, designated as such since they base their legal code on Sharia!</em></p>
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		<title>By: Politics &#38; Religion: A Discussion 13.07.10 &#171; β▲♭♭∟lΞd°♏</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 23:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: L.williams</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanthippas.com/2008/11/01/how-a-13-year-old-rape-victims-execution-is-being-reported/#comment-4855</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 15:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The capital punishment or murder ie stoning to death is a painful agonizing death in some cases for nothing ie being raped standing about in streets waiting for a relative /friend]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The capital punishment or murder ie stoning to death is a painful agonizing death in some cases for nothing ie being raped standing about in streets waiting for a relative /friend</p>
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		<title>By: L.williams</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanthippas.com/2008/11/01/how-a-13-year-old-rape-victims-execution-is-being-reported/#comment-4854</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[L.williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 15:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is sick people tortured/murdered ie stoned to death for nothing]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is sick people tortured/murdered ie stoned to death for nothing</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 06:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Harsh</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 07:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is immensely sick :( . Things muslim (islam moral heads) should understand. 

1. Women are not peace of meat. just as men are created by almighty so are women, and above all women are more better, beautiful, intelligent creations of the same allah they worship.

2. if ur religion, cant protect, or give respect to women , it useless, moreover kuran never said to treat women like &quot;objects&quot; or &quot;meat&quot;

3. It is your lust that harms women of ur society not , that u are given rights to use women or women not covering their heads are &quot;inviting u rascals for rape&quot;. 

who r u to decide this all?  if u find my comments offensive, let them be. 

This should be a global message, that &quot;DUMP THEM WHO DIS-RESPECT, HARM, USE WOMEN.. AND UN-FOLLOW A RELIGION THAT SUPPORTS, COVERS, UP BRINGS SUCH A MENTALITY&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is immensely sick <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  . Things muslim (islam moral heads) should understand. </p>
<p>1. Women are not peace of meat. just as men are created by almighty so are women, and above all women are more better, beautiful, intelligent creations of the same allah they worship.</p>
<p>2. if ur religion, cant protect, or give respect to women , it useless, moreover kuran never said to treat women like &#8220;objects&#8221; or &#8220;meat&#8221;</p>
<p>3. It is your lust that harms women of ur society not , that u are given rights to use women or women not covering their heads are &#8220;inviting u rascals for rape&#8221;. </p>
<p>who r u to decide this all?  if u find my comments offensive, let them be. </p>
<p>This should be a global message, that &#8220;DUMP THEM WHO DIS-RESPECT, HARM, USE WOMEN.. AND UN-FOLLOW A RELIGION THAT SUPPORTS, COVERS, UP BRINGS SUCH A MENTALITY&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ceecee</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 01:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This proves that the hatred of Islamic fundamentalists towards women is truly satanic.  Their view of rape is satanic.  They knew good and well that Aisha didn&#039;t commit adultery.  In order to commit adultery, you have to do it voluntarily.  Rape doesn&#039;t count as adultery (at least not for the woman), because it&#039;s not voluntary.  The sharia people know this, but they pretend not to.  They pretend all female sex (notice the rapists were not punished, although they had sex out of marriage) is voluntary.  
Then they lied and pretended that she was 23, when they knew she was 13.  
This is what Islamists in North America want their special courts for, and to have their own sharia here.  This must not be allowed.  Stories like Aisha&#039;s show that sharia is from the devil.  Jesus said by their fruits you will know them.  This fruit of what they did to Aisha, executing a 13 yo rape victim, is truly satanic.  If we don&#039;t want this satanic stuff done on our 13 year olds in this country, we need to crush every attempt to establish sharia in this country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This proves that the hatred of Islamic fundamentalists towards women is truly satanic.  Their view of rape is satanic.  They knew good and well that Aisha didn&#8217;t commit adultery.  In order to commit adultery, you have to do it voluntarily.  Rape doesn&#8217;t count as adultery (at least not for the woman), because it&#8217;s not voluntary.  The sharia people know this, but they pretend not to.  They pretend all female sex (notice the rapists were not punished, although they had sex out of marriage) is voluntary.<br />
Then they lied and pretended that she was 23, when they knew she was 13.<br />
This is what Islamists in North America want their special courts for, and to have their own sharia here.  This must not be allowed.  Stories like Aisha&#8217;s show that sharia is from the devil.  Jesus said by their fruits you will know them.  This fruit of what they did to Aisha, executing a 13 yo rape victim, is truly satanic.  If we don&#8217;t want this satanic stuff done on our 13 year olds in this country, we need to crush every attempt to establish sharia in this country.</p>
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