At a loss for words…

A bit ago, I wrote a post ‘Winning back our liberty: the ‘religious right’ threat’.

This was one post in a ‘Winning back our liberty’ series based on a ‘freedom of speech’ seminar I went to in December.  Earlier posts included ‘Winning back our liberty: the ‘commercial’ threat’ and its afterthought and ‘Winning back our liberty: the ‘international’ threat’ .

It took me a long time to write this post – the ‘religious right’ one – because I was afraid that people on ‘the religious right’ would either not take it seriously – so I had to strongly support my point – or that they would focus solely on the ‘supporting evidence’ and miss my actual point completely.

Well, it seems that my fears were not misplaced.   Please, just scroll down past the LEAF bit to get to where ‘Binks, the Webelf’ goes medieval on my post.

To say that I was disappointed would be an understatement.

And, ever since he posted it – a bunch of days now…hence no posts from me – I have been trying to compose a response to his criticisms.

However, I am having trouble with this.  In my typical Aspie fashion, I get lost in the details:  I wish to pick apart the fallacies in his reasoning, the errors or incomplete comprehension of the historical facts, or the misunderstanding/misrepresentation of some of the key concepts in the debate.

Either I get caught up in the minutiae.

Or I get sidetracked into correcting some serious errors in his statements.

Or I explain myself, but, I don’t think I support my arguments sufficiently.

Or – I accomplish all of the above….and my post is at over 10K words…so I delete the draft and start again.

I’ll have to work on this some more.  In the meantime – any help would be appreciated!

P.S.   I wonder if his remark about the ‘buzzing of a bee’ was an allusion to Gnostic Christian dogma, with which Binks, the Webelf knows I have been familiar with since early childhood.  Because, if it is, it means at least another 10K-words-worth of a response will be required!

3 Responses to “At a loss for words…”

  1. bulletproofcourier Says:

    I understand what you are saying.

    Xanthippa says: Thank you!

  2. CodeSlinger Says:


    I just posted the following at the Binkster’s site. I’m posting it here as well, because I don’t know how long it will be stuck in “moderation” over there. Call me a sucker for a damsel in distress, but I thought you might like to know that someone had spoken out on your behalf. Anyway, here’s what I wrote:


    Hold yer own horses!

    Usus non tollit abusus: proper use doesn’t preclude abuse, either!

    So, before you go all knee-jerk on us, you really should be sure you understand what Xanthippa is saying.

    At no point did she argue that Christianity is bad. Her point is that theocracy is bad, that Christian theocracy is no better than any other kind of theocracy, and that the elements of the religious right who mix religion and politics are therefore dangerous to our freedom.

    That was her point. That was her whole point.

    But somehow, you missed it.

    Instead, you felt stung by her supporting evidence and so you put up a straw man and proceeded to rant. If your intent was to show that theocracy is okay, as long as it’s Christian theocracy — that was not the way to do it.

    Methinks the Binkster dost protest too much!

    Personally, I couldn’t agree more with Xanthippa’s argument. Whenever the state steps outside the very narrow bounds circumscribing its only legitimate function — which is to secure the inalienable rights of all individuals equally — nothing but evil ensues.

    Whenever the state, the church, and the market are incestuously intertwined, they become grotesquely bloated and corrupt and the result is always widespread oppression, exploitation, and extermination. In this unholy union, you can replace the church with any secular ideology that demands unquestioning faith — like communism — and the prognosis remains equally nightmarish.

    And just in case you doubt that this argument is relevant to the core political realities of today, consider the fact that there are about 50 million Evangelical Christians in North America, and that they politically and financially support the most belligerently rabid lunatic fringe among Israeli Zionists, who are doing everything in their power to demolish the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque so they can build their coveted Third Temple.

    And why should all this matter to a bunch of white Anglo-Saxon Protestants? Because it is required to fulfill biblical prophesy, trigger Armageddon and bring about the second coming of Christ!

    You think this isn’t a serious danger? You object to Xanthippa’s warning against it?

    Give your head a shake, Binks!

    Xanthippa says: Many, many thanks!

  3. Steynian 406nd « Free Canuckistan! Says:

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