More on airport ‘security’ procedures

People who give up freedom for security will get neither.

This phrase – in various permutations – has been attributed to several different people:  perhaps because it is very true.

Last week, I posed questions about the propriety of the current procedures we are asked to submit to at airports in the name of security as well as an audio of an interview with a woman who, along with her children, was subjected to what amounts to sexual assault during an ‘airport security check‘.

Since the state derives its rights from us, citizens, nobody – not even when they are acting on behalf of the state – has more rights than any other citizen:  because if ‘regular citizens’ do not have the right to touch you in private areas of your body, then they cannot delegate this right to the State and its agents.  Therefore, if a touch is assault if another person on the street touched you that way, it is assault if a TSA or another agent of the State touches you that way.

This week, there is renewed debate on this topic following a YouTube video of a guy who refused to enter the full body scanners telling the TSA agent:  “If you touch my junk, I’ll have you arrested.”

Here he describes the encounter in his own words. (H/T –TheRawStory)

Perhaps the most interesting part of this story is the flat assertion by the TSA agent that by purchasing an airline ticket, every citizen  is voluntarily surrendering their rights and freedoms…

And – even after the police and TSA agents escorted him out of the screening area on the instructions of their supervisor’s supervisor because he chose to not proceed with his travel plans, he was told that as a condition of leaving the airport, he had to go back to the screening area and submit to the patdown!

From his blog (my emphasis) – this conversation is taking place after he was escorted out of the secure area by the police and got his ticket refunded:

‘He informed me that I could not leave the airport. He said that once I start the screening in the secure area, I could not leave until it was completed. Having left the area, he stated, I would be subject to a civil suit and a $10,000 fine. I asked him if he was also going to fine the 6 TSA agents and the local police officer who escorted me from the secure area. After all, I did exactly what I was told. He said that they didn’t know the rules, and that he would deal with them later. They would not be subject to civil penalties. I then pointed to Mr. Silva and asked if he would be subject to any penalties. He is the agents’ supervisor, and he directed them to escort me out. The man informed me that Mr. Silva was new and he would not be subject to penalties, either. He again asserted the necessity that I return to the screening area.

‘I asked if tried to leave if he would have the officer arrest me. He again said that no one was forcing me to stay. I looked him in the eye, and said, “then I’m leaving”. He replied, “then we’ll bring a civil suit against you”, to which I said, “you bring that suit” and walked out of the airport.’


A few very interesting points in there….

  • the TSA agents, nor their supervisors, ‘knew the rules’ – according to the person who claimed to be in charge of the airport security
  • nor did the police officer on-scene
  • these officials were not going to be penalized for ordering the passenger to do the wrong thing – yet the passenger was liable for following their orders
  • the passenger faced a choice:  disobey the orders of the police officer who told him to leave the secure area OR face a $10,000 fine and a civil lawsuit
  • “You are free to leave – but if you do, we’ll sue you and fine you $10,000!”

No wonder everyone is talking about this incident!

But, that is not all…

Then there is that report of an airline pilot who was traveling with his teenage daughter and overheard the person who checked their bags say into a mike to the people running the full body scanners:  “Heads up –  got a cutie for you!” The daughter found the following patdown ‘invasive’…

When the video of the little girl (perhaps 2-3 years old) being ‘patted down’ while screaming hysterically that she does not want to be touched that way surfaced,  we were told this was an isolated incident of a child which got cranky and just went hysterical for no good reason.  yet, perhaps this child’s instincts were not as wrong as all that:  now we learn that  pedophiles have been shown to be applying to become TSA agents who perform the ‘patdowns’ on children…

Sounds to me like this child is telling us the Emperor is wearing no clothes!

(Well, actually, this is worse:  at least the naked Emperor was not groping anyone!)

5 Responses to “More on airport ‘security’ procedures”

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  2. Kaffir_Kanuck Says:

    Hi Xan,

    I wrote about the deminishing rights of the travller back in January (http://mooseandsquirrel.ca/2010/01/25/06:06/dispatch-2-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-about-losing-my-luggage-and-love-the-zone/). Seems to apply:

    “Me, the traveler, I’m just another security threat, not a valued customer, and not a welcomed passenger requiring journey on my own dime, well, in my case, the taxpayers, but you get the idea. If you want a glimpse into what living in our future police state is going to be like, go take a commercial flight and enjoy the experience of being processed in the air transit hubs which keep the modern globalization of our western interconnectivity alive. Considering how far we’ve come in accommodating and paying for the additional security, all for an ideology which does not reciprocate anything we give it, it’s time we realize we’ve got our heads up our ass, and have managed to do it by bending backwards far too much, rather than in the traditional position:



    Xan says:

    Yes, you are right.

    Which is why I have been trying to make people understand that when it comes to ‘security’, we are going down the wrong path.

    Instead of trying to disarm everyone and force us to rely on the State and its Agents to protect us, we ought to be standing up to governments which try to – and have largely succeeded – strip us of all ability to protect ourselves!

    If each and every passenger on an airliner were trained to use firearms, and armed with a loaded gun, that airplane would be the safest place to be!

    The same goes for our homes.

    People need to learn how to protect themselves first, rely on police second. Faced wiht people who are able and willing to protect ourselves, lawbreakers of all kinds would not stand a chance.

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