Is ‘Halal meat’ acceptable to non-Muslims?

We have been told, over and over, that ‘Halal meat’ is the ‘lowest common denominator’ for all peoples:  that is, that serving ‘Halal meat’ does not infringe the sensibilities (religious or otherwise) of non-Muslims while serving non-Halal food does….the logical conclusion being that serving Halal meat is the best course of action.

Indeed, in the UK, many have bought into this line of reasoning, including many schools.  They no longer offer a non-Halal meat option.  Indeed, many supermarkets in the UK offer Halal-slaughtered meat only – without labeling it as ‘Halal meat’ or ‘Halal-compliant-meat’ or ‘Halal-slaughtered-meat’.

However, serving/selling Halal meat is not as ‘universally acceptable’ as many Islamist lobbyists would like us to believe…even if we were to leave out the implications of the rules required for ‘Halal certification’, which violate our hiring/labour laws based on not discriminating on the grounds of relgion when hirin workers, as in order to maintain ‘Halal’ certification, only Muslims and/or Muslim supervisors are permitted.

When I was doing a little bit of research on this, I discovered that ‘Halal-certified meat’ could, indeed, be problematic.

The first group to be strictly forbidden to consume ‘Halal meat’ my research encountered were the Sikhs….who are very strictly forbidden from consuming ‘Halal meat,’ indeed.

It would appear that there are two distinct, both important, doctrinal reasons for the prohibition.

  1.   Sikhism requires that an animal is to be killed in as swift and painless manner as possible in order for them to be able to eat it.  The Islamic method of ‘Halal slaughter’ violates this by requiring animals to be slowly and painfully bled to death.  When India was conquered by Muslims and the Koranic method of slowly bleeding the animal to death was imposed, Sikh religious leaders forbade all Sikhs the consumption of meat slaughtered in such a cruel manner.  Most Sikhs will prefer to become vegetarians rather than eat meat that was slaughtered by either the Halal or Kosher method.
  2. Sikhism forbids the eating of food that was ‘prayed over’ or that was ‘sacrificial’.  This, of course, would apply to all ‘Halal meat’, which is prayed over and dedicated as a sacrifice to ‘Allah’ as it is slaughtered.

Here are the references:

  • Sikhs.org – Sikhs.org/meat
  • this source adds a third reason – ‘sovereignty’ 
  • even Wikipedia has some info on it:  Prohibitions in Sikhism     (Not that I consider Wikipedia to be an authoritative source – I included it to demonstrate that this is a well known principle of mainstream Sikhism and does not just represent the position of some obscure fringe sect.)

The Sikh method of animal slaughter is called ‘Jhatka‘.  It is very clear that Halal meat cannot be Jhatka meat and Jhatka meat cannot be Halal meat, as described in one of the references cited already above (first bullet).  They are, by definition, mutually exclusive.

What I found interesting while doing this research is that meat-eating Hindus are strictly prohibited from eating Halal meat.  The references  found are not deeply scriptual, but they do demonstrate this is a widely held belief: here and here.

Here is a news report that demonstrates that Buddhists also find the consumption of Halal meat problematic on doctrinal grounds.

Needles to say, secular humanists are very strongly opposed to the consumption of Halal meat because of the extreme cruelty of the method of slaughter.  Here is just one example.

What is interesting is that when I was poking around on the internet, I have found a curious twist to things:  in both the Old Testament and in the Apostolic Letters of the New Testament, there are clear and strict prohibitions for Christians on the consumption of all sacrificial meat.  As all Halal meat is, indeed, sacrificial meat by the virtue of the prayer chanted over them as they are slaughtered (this is indeed the Sikh and Hindu interpretation, as well), some of the better-informed, or, perhaps, more doctrinally-adherent Christian sects are, in fact, interpreting this to mean that Christian scriptures strictly forbid the consumption of Halal meat.

In conclusion, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhist and Christians are doctrinally forbidden from consuming Halal meat and secular humanists tend to avoid it on animal cruelty grounds.

Thus, any and all claims that ‘Halal meat’ ought to be the ‘default’ or ‘lowest common denominator’ for serving food in schools or other institutions, or that it is not necessary to label ‘Halal-slaughtered-meat’ as ‘Halal-compliant’ or ‘Sharia-compliant’ in our restaurants and retail stores is an obvious violation of the freedom of religion provision of our constitution – and, as such, cannot be permitted and/or tolerated.

After all, each and every one of us deserves the right to make a choice – an informed choice – about the food we consume.

It is our constitutional/common-law right – now let us make sure our governments require the proper labeling so that we can, indeed, make the informed choice our constitutional/common-law rights give us!!!

Gavin Boby spoke in in Ottawa tonight

Thanks to CAIR-CAN’s protest against this event, Gavin Boby’s talk in Ottawa tonight was well advertised – so, together with some 60-80 other Ottawans, I decided to go check it out.

And, we were not disappointed.

Though I missed the protesters outside, I spoke to others who got to see them being interviewed by CBC.  I guess that a February night in Ottawa with temperatures well below -20 degrees Celsius, most outdoor protests will tend to be brief and limited to the length of the interviews…

Mr. Boby spoke for an hour or so and then took questions from the audience.  I will write it all up for tomorrow, when I hope Vlad Tepes will have a teaser video up.

Let me just say that it was a very positive message of reasoned restraint and the rule of law to maintain civil society. He unequivocally condemned anger and hate as motivators. If you happen to find yourself in Montreal on Tuesday, the 5th of February, 2013 or in Toronto on Wednesday, the 6th of February 2013, it is definitely worth it to go hear Mr. Boby speak.

UPDATE: Here is Brian Lilley interviewing Gavin Boby:

http://youtu.be/byJ637M96xo

Free Thinking Film Society: Majed El Shafie’s “Freedom Fighter”

From Free Thinking Film Society:

Don’t Miss This Important Book Launch!

Majed El Shafie’s “Freedom Fighter”

Monday, January 21st, 2013, 7 PM
Reverend Majed El Shafie’s launch of his new book “Freedom Fighter”
Library & Archives Canada
395 Wellington, Ottawa
Main Auditorium
Admission:  $15 (Reception to follow book launch and Q&A)
Tickets available at the door

“I am pleased to commend Freedom Fighter and the work of all who continue to fight for justice for the oppressed.”
The Honourable Jason Kenney, Minister of Citizenship, Immigration and Multiculturalism

Majed El Shafie was arrested, tortured, and sentenced to die after he converted from Islam to Christianity.  His dramatic story, and those of others worldwide who are suffering persecution, are told in shocking, yet sensitive detail.  Especially startling is the true story of rescuing a very young Pakistani girl who experienced horrific sexual abuse – because her family would not convert to Islam.

Although hard to imagine and even harder to accept, this important truth about religious persecution is blatantly exposed.  Millions of families are praying for help.  They are suffering daily in China, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, and many other countries solely because of their beliefs.

Freedom Fighter is Reverend El Shafie’s outreach – it follows his heroic work over a four-year period as he traveled to Pakistan and Afghanistan to investigate claims of abuse, persecution, and slavery and to speak truth to governments that neglect and violate the human rights of their citizens.

Please join us for this important book launch.

Cheers,

Fred Litwin

About Reverend Majed El Shafie
Majed El Shafie was born in Egypt to a prominent Muslim family of judges and lawyers.  After his conversion to Christianity, he experienced torture and a death sentence, prompting him to establish One Free World International, a human rights organization committed to religious freedom.  Reverend El Shafie lives in Canada and continually pressures governments and challenges spiritual leaders on behalf of persecuted people worldwide.  Please visit www.onefreeworldinternational.org.

‘Innocence of the Muslims’ – Toronto Style

Last Saturday, there was a ‘multi-faith’ protest against the blasphemous movie, ‘Innocence of the Muslims’.

In so many parts of the worlds, these protests have been extremely violent and, well, deadly.  And not just from the primary rioting:  in many places of the world, Muslims who were not deemed to be sufficiently ardent in protesting have faced violence.  In one famous example, a man who declined to close his shop in order to join the riots in Pakistan has been charged with ‘blasphemy’ and is facing life in jail or a death sentence.  In another example, journalists whom the rioters suspected of not giving their riots sufficient coverage (or casting them in positive enough light – depending on which sources you read) were violently attacked and barely escaped with their lives.

So, I am very happy to report that the Toronto protests were all peaceful.

Well, peaceful in the sense that the people protesting did not riot – and that is a good thing.  That some of the protesters called for violence – and even the death of the moviemakers – that is less good.

Here are some videos of both the protest and the coverage thereof by Sun Media:

Ezra Levant with Raheel Raza:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1A6QOtf-88&feature=colike

If you’d like to check it out – Muslims Facing Tomorrow website is here.

Michael Coren’s (who made it to the protest personally) coverage is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgzfxjsly-c&feature=colike

BTW – I oppose the laws that forbid the denial of the holocaust.  Not because I don’t thing it happened – my mother, as a small child, guided by her mother – actually sneaked food to Jewish concentration camp inmates when they were on a work detail in her neighbourhood.  My grandmother saw, with her own eyes, a prisoner, dive onto a compost heap to eat some potato peels – and how, for this, he was beaten to death by his guard…using a beam with a nail in it…  Yes, I know it happened and I have heard 1st person testimony of just how nightmarish it was.  That, of course, is not the point:  even if they are vicious lies, people must be free to say them, and say them publicly. To me, freedom of speech is absolute.

BlazingaCatFur – who was also there – asks some very basic questions:

SDAMatt2a, who also attended the event in order to report on it, captured the protester’s assertion that ‘Islam condones racism’.  In case you think this is a linguistic error, please, do consider that the Koran itself considers the supremacy of Arabs over other races (and the Qureshi tribe is given supremacy over other Arabs) and that under Sharia – even today, it is not just illegal for any non-Muslim men to marry a Muslim woman, it is also illegal for non-white Muslim men to marry white Muslim women, it is illegal for non-Arab Muslim men to marry Arab Muslim women and it is illegal for non-Qureshi Muslim men to marry Qureshi Muslim women.  That is recognized by ALL the ‘schools’ of Sharia and women whose wali (legal guardian) who agrees on their behalf to a marriage contract (as women cannot agree on their own – that power is reserved for their guardian alone) to a man in contradiction of this race-based rule have the right to sue for divorce on the grounds of having been married ‘below their racial status’.  All schools of Islamic jurisprudence recognize this and side with the race-based ‘status’.  I personally think this is wrong – but I do not have any influence over Sharia…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUN8c0dGmFg&feature=colike

Sad.

So sad…

 

 

 

New ‘Draw Mohammed’ subReddit is up and running!

‘Reddit – the front page of the internet’ has a new section:  DrawMohammed!!!

Check it out – and subscribe!

UPDATE:  This subredit has now been marked ‘private’….and even though I have contributed more than one post to it myself, I no longer can get in myself.  Sorry.

I guess Obama was not bluffing:

So, what happens to atheists in Muslim countries?

While checking out Reddit, I came across this post:

‘I’m planning on telling my parents that I’m an atheist. I live in a Muslim country, so you can guess that they’re Muslim. I need help with some points though. Things said in the Quran that are definitely wrong, like that Noah talked to ants (ants do not talk, they use chemicals to communicate.) and such. The more you know the better. I need to know things that Islam got wrong. Muslims say that Muslim women have tons of rights, and I want to prove them wrong. Help a guy out will you.’

All the comments – at least, when I read it, I’m sure more will be posted soon – advised against this,if the young writer wants to live…

At last, people are finally understanding that in Muslim countries, there is no ‘freedom from religion’.  It’s a first step, but an important one and I am glad to see that people do know this and understand that the existential danger to atheists in Muslim countries is very, very real.

I don’t know how to help this one individual.

But, I do realize that if we do not stop the stealthy creeping of Sharia into our societies, we, too, may face this fate.

Sooner than we are willing to admit…

Pat Condell: A word to rioting Muslims

 

A few hours of lectures by Stephen Coughlin on our ineptitude on ‘the war on terror’

Yes, this lecture series is a little long – but very, very informative.

If you have read the Koran and the Hadith, and if you are familiar with Shariah, you  will be impressed by the depth of Stephen Coughlin’s background knowledge – but there is still a lot of new material there for you because he draws the connections between the beliefs rooted (rightly or wrongly, but demonstrably held by the majority of pro-Sharia Muslims worldwide) in these and the decision-making and behaviour of Islamic political entities.

For example, he is one of the few people to have predicted the ‘Arab Spring’ months before it happened and accurately described it as a Muslim Brotherhood-driven action.  He also accurately predicted other events many had considered ‘unpredictible’ – and in this lecture series, he walks us through the steps that made the events predictable.

If you are unfamiliar with the underlying doctrine, Stephen Coughlin provides an accurate grounding in their belief system and demonstrates its doctrinal roots.  He also explains the very  different concepts meant by Islamic political bodies when they use terms we consider familiar:  words like ‘human rights’ (Sharia), ‘terrorism’ (killing of a Muslim without Sharia approval), and ‘freedom’ (freedom from ‘the laws of man’ in favour of the laws from Allah alone), ‘religion’ (Islam and Islam alone as Muhammad’s revelations abrogated all other religions) and more.

What is quite appalling, however, is his description of the depth of willful ignorance of all this by the politically correct decisionmakers who are directing the ‘war on terror’…  His frustration is plainly visible and his Cassandra complex and the accompanying frustration are, at times, palpable.

Yet, it is precisely this willful ignorance among our decisionmakers and intellectual elites poses a clear and present danger to protecting our culture, our society and our very basic human rights.

Stephen Coughlin, Part 1: Lectures on National Security & Counterterror Analysis (Introduction)

Stephen Coughlin, Part 2: Understanding the War on Terror Through Islamic Law

Stephen Coughlin, Part 3: Abrogation & the ‘Milestones’ Process

Stephen Coughlin, Part 4: Muslim Brotherhood, Arab Spring & the ‘Milestones’ Process

Stephen Coughlin, Part 5: The Role of the OIC in Enforcing Islamic Law

Yet another reason why ‘blasphemy laws’ must be abolished

Every religious person should oppose ‘blasphemy laws’ with every fiber of their being.

Why?

With ‘blasphemy laws’ in place, it is impossible to have freedom of religion.

Every religion has, as its central tenet, the bold and uncompromising claim that it and it alone is ‘the righteous path’ to wherever or whatever it proclaims people ought, according to its teachings, be on the path to.

Even if we set the anti-theists, atheists and non-theists aside and accept the religionists’ claims, it is impossible for more than one of these religions to actually be true.

Therefore, every single time that someone preaches/teaches one religion, he/she is necessarily committing blasphemy against every single other religion.

Thus, if blasphemy laws are actually enforced, we’ll soon have jails filled with religious teachers/preachers!!!

Plus, there will, of course, be the added complications – for those of us living in constitutional democracies – that enforcing ‘blasphemy laws’ necessitates that The State police the dissemination of religious dogma, which is fundamentally incompatible with the principles underlying our legal systems.

Sure, ‘blasphemy laws’ are seen by many as a measure to protect religious freedoms, but if you really think about it, they are the most certain way to prevent the teaching of any religion at all!

But, don’t take my word for it:  we have real-life examples of this mechanism in action from countries where the enforcement of ‘blasphemy laws’ (which really mean anti-blasphemy laws) is sending clerics to jail.

Yes, we all know that Iran is trying Christian preachers for blasphemy – but, well, what do you expect from Iran?

And, yes, we know Christian preachers have been tossed into jail for blasphemy for holding Bible study classes inside their homes in Pakistan – but, well, it’s not like Pakistan is a bastion of good governance, right?

And good luck even finding a Christian or Jewish religious teacher who could potentially commit such blasphemy in Saudi Arabia…

So, let’s not use the most extremist countries as examples.  Let’s look at Indonesia, long touted as an example of how multiculturalism can work in a tolerant, moderate Muslim country:  a Shia cleric has been sentenced to two years in jail for – you guessed it – promulgating Shia teachings, which was not to the liking of the influential local Sunni clerical council.

From The Jakarta Globe:

‘The judge said that Muluk had propagated Shiite teachings in his village of Nangkernang, where a nearby branch of the country’s top Islamic clerical council dubbed the denomination “deviant” from mainstream Islam.’

Human Rights Watch has further details:

‘“The Indonesian government should immediately drop the case against Tajul Muluk, which highlights the threat Indonesia’s blasphemy law poses to religious freedom,” said Elaine Pearson, deputy Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “The government needs to reverse the growing trend of violence and legal action against religious minorities in the country.”’

. . .

‘The Coordinating Board for Monitoring Mystical Beliefs in Society (Badan Koordinasi Pengawas Aliran Kepercayaan Masyarakat or Bakor Pakem) is a coordinating body under Indonesia’s Attorney General’s Office with branches in every province and regency under local prosecutors’ offices. According to the 2004 Public Prosecution Service Law, Bakor Pakem has the responsibility to provide “oversight in respect of religious beliefs that could endanger society and the state.” Bakor Pakem normally sits under the intelligence division of the public prosecution office, and works closely with the Ministry of Religious Affairs, the police, the military, local governments, and religious establishments.’ 

Let’s take a stand for religious freedom and ensure that ‘blasphemy laws’ are gotten rid of worldwide!

Remember, the end never justify the means.  Rather, the means always define the end

H/T:  BCF

Thunderf00t: a ‘moderate’ Muslim speaks out

Perhaps you have been following the free speech debate which has been happening on YouTube – or, at least, oe of them:  the one involving Thunderf00t.

Thunderf00t is a scientist who became famous on YouTube because of a series of videos he made ‘Why do people laugh at creationists’.  It took some of the more outrageous statements made/published on YouTube by Christian young-Earth creationists, contrasted their statements with reality and closed with the catch-phrase:  ‘Why do people laugh at creationists?  Only the creationists don’t know!’  (I am working from memory, so my wording may not be 100% on, but the gest is there.)

Soon, some of these young-Earth creationists took notice and began to react.  Different ones reacted differently.  Some invited him to debate them – even live.  And he did – and thesedebates are published on YouTube.

Others, however, sought to shut him up – to get his videos flagged and banned.  When they could not censor his content as ‘inappropriate’, some sought to use the copyright laws to censor him – claiming infringement where none existed.

Thunderf00t continued his videos, highlighting religious non-science nonsense as well as religious bigotry and intolerance.

Because he criticized not just Christian intolerance bur religious bigotry from all the directions he saw and experienced it, he soon came under attack from the Islamist corner.  This time, there was no invitation to debade the worth of ideas:  instead, he was doc-dropped, he and his family were publicly threatened with violence and the Univesrity where he works was bullied in an attempt to have him fired.  Oh, and his videos were flagged and accused of copyright infringment in an attempt to censor him.

So, now that you have a sketch of the background:  here is his latest video documenting his fight for free speech on the internet: